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spanky thanks for joining us on the show

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man

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it's nice to have you back on the obdm

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podcast

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i think the last time that you were on

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the show it was me

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you and my uh my brother clown baby and

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we were talking about

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missing four one one and we were

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trying to explain to you uh what that

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was all about

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how sometimes when uh people go missing

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they go missing under very peculiar

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circumstances especially out in like

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national forests or in the woods

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and uh this most recent book uh

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called missing 411 montana

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is more of these cases and like a brief

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overview

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uh of what a missing four one one case

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is

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the woods

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and they are if their bodies found

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is typically found in a place that has

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already been searched

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or canines that are brought out they

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can't they can't find a cent

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yeah uh when they go when a person goes

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missing they deploy search and rescue

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oftentimes uh severe weather just

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happens to

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erupt and the search is impaired or

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called off for a few days

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then sometimes um bodies that are found

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that go missing they will either have

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their clothes removed

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oftentimes their shoes or uh or boots

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are removed um and then a lot of times

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that people are found near water

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or in water lake stream river

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what have you and sometimes near boulder

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fields those are all just like a brief

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overview

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of what uh what constitutes a missing

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four one one case

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and the author of this book series

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missing four one one

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they would play to put out a new book

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specifically about

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montana and i've been going through this

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i've been

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reading it for the past few days um and

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it's kind of depressing to read

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because you're reading about people that

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in most instances like 90

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percent of the cases that he writes

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about the debt

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so it's not like a very christmasy book

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you know yeah

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uh you're reading about people that have

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lost their lives

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and we're uh probably alone in the final

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moments

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of their lives so uh jingle bingle

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jingle bingle

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uh this is what we're gonna be talking

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about for for uh a little bit

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today what is the jingle beagle i don't

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remember that one i i forget like i

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came up with jingle bingle a few years

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ago as like a non-specific

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holiday greeting yeah you know it was

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it's just a jingle bingle jingle bengle

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i i forget how i came up with it is that

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your voice

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that is no this is jingle bingo that is

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lionel

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uh this guy

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jingle bingle is uh ethan van

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shriver who's a big comic book artist

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they sound jonathan from

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the same dude jingle bingle jingle

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bingle and

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then this third this third guy jingle

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bingle [\h__\h]

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that is uh dab and mike dab surgeon

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he's a he's a listener he hopped on the

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jingle bingle bandwagon very early on

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and called him that note sounds like

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it's really sweeping the nation

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uh it's like a very slow grass fire

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you know it's like a grass fire that is

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kind of annoying you probably go out and

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like stomp it out if you want to but

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it'll just burn out on its own

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but you just kind of sit there and kind

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of watch it like yeah it's not going

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anywhere i can just check this out

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we have t-shirts fade a little bit we

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got jingle bingle t-shirts if you just

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search for a teespring

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obdm you can purchase uh

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a jingle bengal t-shirt it's not too

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late you can celebrate jingle bingle i

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think up through february

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um really yeah i think so it's

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indeterminate we don't know when it

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right away until valentine's day pretty

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much yeah or maybe

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for valentine's day too yeah it's just

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kind of all rolls into one

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we celebrate like three holidays here

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jingle bingle kind of thanksgiving and

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then we talk about halloween

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um all right let's get on over and let's

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just talk about missing 411 because this

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and then i think uh

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i don't have much to show here since

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these are just the kind of stories that

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in the book and i'll convey them to uh

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all you good people out there

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um the two stories i found in the book

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that i found most compelling

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oh wow there's something that was going

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um one of the the two stories that i

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found in the book that was uh

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fairly compelling where stories that

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involved uh younger

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kids that were taken by

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animals and the first one

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is from 1903

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and these are both these cases are in

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montana um this is uh september 1903 and

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it was reported that the dumfree family

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uh said that their infant daughter was

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carried

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off by a wolf in the afternoon

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obviously someone must have had seen a

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like carry off their infant child um

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that's what was reported in newspaper so

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they went out looking for their daughter

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and the father said he found a wolf den

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he entered the wolf den and he saw a

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mother wolf

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beating her pups and he also at the same

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saw his daughter trying to suckle from

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the mama wolf

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uh he went in there got his daughter

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the wolf growled a little bit but didn't

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prevent the father from taking his

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daughter back

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and how long was she gone is she just

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like five minutes and she's already

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sucking on a wolf tit

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saying like there's no loyalty to family

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there yeah it's just like oh well i

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guess i'm a dog now because i'm a wolf

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uh it the weight was conveyed it was

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within 24 hours that the daughter of the

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he figured in the kid could go without

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milk for 24 hours

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you know but uh free meals a free meal

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spanky

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what are you gonna do i would you know i

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well be honest this is in one of the

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the kid didn't die and was actually

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retrieved and and lived but that's how

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it was reported in the newspaper that a

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basically abducted the daughter and it

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i would be curious from 1903 uh the

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the book that i want to touch on is

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from 1955

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and this involved in july 4th 1955

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and the the kid who disappeared was

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ida may curtis and

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her age was two years old and this was

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uh [\h__\h] tiny national forest

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um near libby montana

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so this is a mic that's kootenai just

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kunai yeah and what was the other day

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another one

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liberty uh libby montana libby okay

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it's like a town um

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so this is this is at a big logging camp

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the father mortimer curtis was a logger

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and all the loggers decided to bring out

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their families to

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to the camp for fourth of july probably

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to sell fireworks and just have a a nice

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camping and picnic with each other in

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the late afternoon

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ida and her brother cecil were in their

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tent

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and carried ida off

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uh it was stated that mortimer's father

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saw a bear in the woods

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about that time now the

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the kid cecil said that his uh his

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sister was carried off by the bear

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and as it picked up uh

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his sister with one arm it ran off

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on three legs that's what the kid said

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and the grandpop mortimer said he did

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see a bear in the with the time

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uh that provoked the search almost 250

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people search for her um then on july

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5th the next day

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she was found across the creek

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not but 300 yards away from

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the camp in in in an area that

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had been searched dozens of times and

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in a a a sort of a a

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cedar shelter uh something that was

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almost like a a cedar

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lean to and she was unharmed she wasn't

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wet and she was in good health

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which is all concerning because you'd

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imagine that if a bear

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did grab her uh it's the bears hunched

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over it has to go

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through a creek so you'd imagine there'd

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be some water splashing up

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in a bear uh in my in my recollection i

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believe bears do have claws

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so there might be some claw marks or

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some rip clothing on

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on the young girl there wasn't any of

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and uh like i said it was already in an

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area where she it was they already

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i think a bear could have a little

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finesse if it wanted to you know

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and not hurt something with its claws if

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it wanted to i suppose so

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i guess a bear could be delicate i'm not

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sure if

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bears are known to be delicate i guess

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you can train a dog to pick up

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something with this mouth very gently

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and not destroy it

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um but i i don't know if the bears are

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i guess they're capable picking things

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up but are they capable capable of

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picking up a

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a two-year-old and running across a

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creek with it

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i don't know i i think i don't think

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their claws are razor sharp i think

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they're kind of pretty sharp and

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especially with 500 pounds of force or

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whatever behind it

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and then it can rip your head off

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but they're probably just as sharp they

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brought you can probably touch it

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without getting cut

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it's possible it was cool uh i'm i'm i'm

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it's not uh impossible i just think is

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unlikely

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so they found ida she was unharmed and

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the family all stuck to their story that

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a bear carried off her dollar

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uh but when she was found the sheriff's

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uh department told the media that there

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was never bear

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and uh kept insisting uh

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that fact over and over again

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disregarding the family's claim and i

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think the family actually got a kind of

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got air irritated with the

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with a sheriff but in a in a subsequent

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kind of uh interview with the kid

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ida said as she was being carried she

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remembered being

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hit in the face repeatedly by the bears

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breasts okay

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so as a furry animal and you it might

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have been a sand squanch

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i bear uh i'm not like

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up on bear biology or anatomy

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you don't know if i don't think they

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have breasts yeah but they have a chest

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breast you know what i mean if it's a

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i don't think the i mean what i'm

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getting at is the

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attribute like the what they saw as a

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bear

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i think it's probably a sasquatch at

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that point

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yeah it was a female i might have a

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night a big set of tits

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yes and uh you know uh

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it's not unheard of that there are other

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stories out there

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of of sasquatch abducting kids or other

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kids being abducted by

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whatever kind of creature it is and uh

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taking care of it

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um i i don't know if a bear would build

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a

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in the woods doing this kind of thing

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or it it might be like i was thinking a

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really passive bear

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that can handle things with care and

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artistic

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a crafty bear can make a little house

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you know for the baby

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uh a bear with a liberal arts major

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something a bear is very sensitive very

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crafty a hippie bear

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okay okay you know i mean

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i mean if the bear has that much

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intelligence to get a

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degree and go to college and become a

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hippie then sure it probably would

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abduct a

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a small uh child dude to a rear

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on its own it might be one of the it

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might be like a crazy

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uh one of those you know women that have

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duck children and raise them as their

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own

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uh that's possible with that there's a

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word for it yeah there is a specific

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medical condition

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for a a woman that abducts a child

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that i mean that's the whole premise of

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miss uh of uh

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raising arizona yeah kind of that's a

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couple though

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yeah and then there's a new movie out on

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netflix uh

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with uh sarah paulson the woman from

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american horror story and how she kind

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of uh well i just blew the end of the

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movie but

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oh no will we move on from that

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that's uh uh but um in a a non

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montana related story um

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i'll bring this up on screen and this is

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a three-year-old this is like just from

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earlier

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um well i guess it was last year i'm

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sorry uh

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january 2019 we talked about this on the

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show

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and this is three-year-old who was

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missing for days says a bear watched

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over him

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in the north carolina woods i thought it

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was kentucky at

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best north north carolina was so a

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three-year-old boy

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was found alive in the woods in eastern

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north carolina after he went missing for

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two days

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uh he said he spent the time with the

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bear casey uh hathaway disappeared

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last tuesday had been playing with two

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other children in his grandmother's yard

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and when he disappeared thursday casey

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was found calling for his mother

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about a quarter mile away 40 to 50 yards

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deep in the woods he was soaking cold

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and tangled in a torn

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thorn bush uh hugh says rescuers waded

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through

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nearly waist deep water to get to the

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toddler

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um how did he get there and how do you

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stay alive

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uh quote he hung out with a bear for two

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days

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is what his aunt said and she shared

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that in a now

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private facebook post she said hung out

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hung out with a bear

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all right uh his aunt called it a

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miracle and said god sent him a friend

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to keep him safe casey's mother gave

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authorities the same report

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and he said of he had a friend in the

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woods that was a bear

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sheriff hughes told usa today

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he said hughes uh hugh said bears are

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common in the area

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but he thought the comment was more more

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cute than factual

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um does he remember the bear i mean

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three-year-old kids can

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talk most of the time and tell you what

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happened

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uh yeah that's that's uh i i think these

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kids

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are just seeing what they are used to

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seeing and

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it could be a very well could be some

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sort of bigfoot

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some sort of uh hairy human

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that is watching over these kids maybe

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abducted him like this this kid

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was found just forty to fifty yards into

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the woods and if i remember correctly

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from the story it was just

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1500 feet from the house and about

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50 feet up on like this this ledge

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now that is an area that i would assume

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would have been searched within the

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three days

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that the search and rescue had just like

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this the previous story from ida

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she was found 300 yards from a campsite

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in a in an area

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that was definitely searched by search

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and rescue and she appeared

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there um out of the blue

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uh this kid uh you'd imagine he would be

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crying the entire time

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thrown a fit because it's cold he's

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scared he's alone

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they would have hurt him through

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throughout those three days they did not

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he just he was there and the bear is

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looking after him

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uh i just think that there's a there's

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definitely something to those last two

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stories

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the the wolf carrying off the kid in the

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first story

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uh don't know about that i don't you

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don't hear a lot about that there are

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other missing four eleven cases

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and and stories from the late 1800s

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early 1900s of kids encountering

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strange wolf creatures in the woods but

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um nothing as

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recent as what i i just shared here from

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2019

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